Jackie Chan in Shaw's 'Stranger in Hong Kong'

[kenichiku]

Credits like this always raise a red flag with me:

http://hkmdb.com/db/movies/view.mhtml?id=5350&display_set=eng

I see the poster image catalogued here has reliable cast members to draw a proper roster from. Unless someone can verify spot him in that flick, I don't know that Jackie as a mid-teen was in it. I vaguely recall the non-martial arts story having younger adolescent roles cast but no Jackie as a teen. There were stunts but with adult Japanese staff. From what I know of this title, filming started in 70 (w/a publicized shoot in Japan), creative differences halted production, new dtr came in to finish & wasn't released until 72.

Word of advice for us arm-chair editors, please cross reference with trepidation when consulting with the IMDB; they have an AKA called 'Stranger in HK' for one of Jackie's titles i.e. 'Cracked Fingers' & that tells me somebody here may have used that precedence.

....I'm still mopping the floors over there

[MrBooth]

Information from IMDB should never be added here without verification - it should only be used as a secondary source - and even then only as a last resort IMO... there's far too much that's plain wrong

[Brian Thibodeau]

Information from IMDB should never be added here without verification - it should only be used as a secondary source - and even then only as a last resort IMO... there's far too much that's plain wrong

....I'm still mopping the floors over there

Yeah, the best thing anyone could do to the countless hopeless entries on Hong Kong films at the IMDB would be to add a tag on every one of them that says: "For accurate information on this film, please visit the HKMDB." Sigh.... We may still have booboos in the database here, but they'll likely be fixed long before they would at the IMDB...

[kenichiku]

it should only be used as a secondary source - and even then only as a last resort IMO... there's far too much that's plain wrong

That's what I think but I didn't post this to beat a dead horse or embarrass anyone; I'm just alerting you guys or whoever the original editor is to verify & follow-up. I might have an old VHS of this title but it may be in a basement storage some 400 miles away (so it ain't gonna happen). I'm no expert on Jackie's filmography but if someone made an honest to goodness 'Elvis' citing, please verify and revise properly.

We may still have booboos in the database here, but they'll likely be fixed long before they would at the IMDB...

No affirmation needed there. Well my arms are getting tired mopping up all that backwash...it's just too frustrating & it stinks. I do get satisfaction providing them some rare 50s melodrama or noir title that they don't have but it's really the popular stuff that brings them out ot the woodwork over there. Boy do I feel sorry for their Indie KF genre titles. It's like every rabid fan whose armed with a video box has to leave their own mark, accuracy be damned.

Anyway, here on behalf of the original editor (or any editor who's written Chinese challenged). Listed from the poster image (probably compliments of our good friend Heinz as usual):

Starring (in Wade-Giles romanization):

Chin, Feng
(Betty) Ting, Pei

Co-starring (R to L):

Cheng, Wen Ching
Ching, Miao
Chan, Shen

with (R to L, a little harder to make out):

Li. Peng Fei
Li, Yun Chung
Li, Hao
Yueh, Hung
Tsai (or Chai), No

& maybe the last 2 (if last one horizontal over a label reading 'supporting cast') or last 3 listed vertically (real fuzzy but 2, 3 & maybe 3 characters respectively) undetermined by me. Now if one of the last 2-3 has a 'Chen' sirname like in 'Chen Yuen Lung' i.e. 'Jackie Chan' then I'm an idiot for crying wolf & bringing all this up.

P.S. Don't quote this yet but I read somewhere the cinematograher is a colleague of the 1st director: Chu, Chia Hsin, both who trained in Italy. I'll scan and post an image if I find the source to verify.

[j.crawford]

Nice.

Added 8 cast members.....

Co-starring (R to L):

Cheng, Wen Ching
Ching, Miao
Chan, Shen

with (R to L, a little harder to make out):

Li. Peng Fei
Li, Yun Chung
Li, Hao
Yueh, Hung
Tsai (or Chai), No

Thanks.

[kenichiku]

Nice. Added 8 cast members.....

Wow...quick! Much obliged.

Re:

& maybe the last 2 (if last one horizontal over a label reading 'supporting cast') or last 3 listed vertically (real fuzzy but 2, 3 & maybe 3 characters respectively) undetermined by me

Well, I got a hold of my reading glasses and figured it out. It's actually the former. Couldn't make out the 2nd to last supporting cast member as it's still fuzzy but the final 2 character cast member is listed horizontally as 'Tien Feng' and he's exclusively listed in the fine print as 'guest star'.

BTW, the visual tip was the magazine poster itself. Part of the image (bottom left of center) shows an unkown child actor (chances are he may be the unknown name), Chen Wen Ching, Chin Feng & Tien Feng far left.

[wblaik]

If it's a help, for Jackies early Lo Wei films he used his opera name when credited as Martial Arts Director (apparently out of respect for his teacher).

On the English credits for To Kill With Intrigue, he is listed as Chen Wen Lung.

[kenichiku]

If it's a help, for Jackies early Lo Wei films...

Thanks for the tip. This other aka I've been aware of only my point is I hope it's not some editor's random 'Elvis' sitings for famous personalities in rare obscure HK films. Incidentally while a handful of the little Fortunes did do uncredited extras work for Shaws and to my knowledge, there's only one part that I know of that Jackie's verified to be in (credited or uncredited) and that's Li Han Hsiang's 'Golden Lotus' so if there's more, it's actually fun to discover it however there's a point when folks with more enthusiasm than knowledge or history with itchy keyboard fingers to add are 'reaching' to apply their hunches where little or no proof exists. Of course my sometimes futile contributions on that OTHER database has gotten me to get a bit ornery on the subject (but almost never here). Re: Jackie in this 1971-72 title sure it's concievable but still in doubt given what I know of Shaw's history but since I'm not 100% sure, I'm not going advocate his removal just based my own subjective hunches. In this case, I'd say the original editor retains the benefit of the doubt given management's approval of its inclusion in the first place while the burden of proof's on me to prove he's not in it since I've called the editor out, no matter what alias Jackie's listed as .

[kenichiku]

85% reduction of original theatre flyer/press-kit proofs for your archives:


100% top cropped to fit Lobbies for your archives:



The lobbies are older than the presskit so please note that Kuei Chih Hung didn't get any directorial credits up front. Also Jackie's never been slighted even in his few bit roles for Shaws/Li Han Hsiang so after I dug this stuff, still no 'Chen Yuen Lung' but still inconclusive. I guess I may still have to dig up that lost VHS to put this to rest.

[j.crawford]

Added 3 lobby cards.

Thank you!

[calros]

added 1 assist. dir., 1 actor, 10 roles and 2 images.