Ye Ying Tu Ji = Tu Ji Chu Nv Dao = Escape of Female...?

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Ye Ying Tu Ji = Tu Ji Chu Nv Dao = Escape of Female...?

Postby Teddy Wong » Wed Sep 25, 2019 8:47 pm

This is a bit complicated.
We have 3 entries that look very similar:
Ye Ying Tu Ji (1990)
Tu Ji Chu Nv Dao (1982)
Escape of the Female Prisoner (1984)

All 3 star Lu I-Chan and Richard Cui. If we assume that Lung Siu-Wa (???) in "Escape" is just a typing mistake of Long Shao-Hua's (???) Chinese name, then all of them also star Long Shao-Hua.

"Ye ying tu ji" and "Tu Ji Chu Nv Dao"
In August 2011 I created the page for "Ye ying tu ji" based on the poster I found and the data from Taiwan film archives (here and here), so cast and crew credits in "Ye ying tu ji" can be considered as reliable. Only the year seems to be questionable, because according to the movie, it should be made somewhere in 1981-1985. But for some reason it is listed in Taiwan film archive under 1990.
In August 2014 heinz Germany created page for "Tu Ji Chu Nv Dao", that has more extensive cast list - Chang Yu-Lan, Chou Ying-Ti and unidentified Zhen Xiu-Li (???) that might be the typing mistake of Chinese name of Yin Su-Li (???) - that also stars in "Ye ying tu ji")
"Ye ying tu ji" and "Tu Ji Chu Nv Dao" are the same movie.
TU JI CHU NV DAO (?????):
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YE YING TU JI (????):
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The whole movie is available online here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rbwc1MdpH4 under English title "Captive Commandos" - but I don't think we should add this title to DB, because, although it appears onscreen, this is, probably, the title given by the uploader of the video. Also, unfortunately, this copy doesn't have any credits.
Other English title - "Assault Virgin Island" can be seen here:
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but this cover is made by FLKcinema website, that sells bootleg copies of rare HK and Taiwan movies, and sometimes they invent new titles for the movies. So I'm not sure if we should add this English title as well.


"Escape of the female prisoner"
"Escape" page has many titles and aliases. I couldn't find anything useful about any of these titles, except many sites that just copied data about that movie from HKMDB.
In July 2008 Young Master created the page for "Escape of the Female Prisoner" from an unknown source, giving it 1984 as an estimated year.
In August 2008 john_larocque noted that there is a movie that can be added to DB from a Yesasia shop page - that was listed there under the Chinese title "?????" and English title "Escape at dawn" (but keep in mind that many times Yesasia were inventing their own English titles, if it wasn't listed on the cover). Here is the page, but the image or any other data is not available anymore - https://www.yesasia.com/us/escape-at-dawn/1002445981-0-0-0-en/info.html.
Calros noted that this is the same movie that Young Master added, and aliases were added.

Now, I think that probably "Escape" is the same movie as "Ye ying tu ji":
- Both directed by Lin Ying.
- Last actor "credited" in "Escape" - Wong Sui-Cheung (???) is also a writer of "Ye ying tu ji" (so maybe it's a mistake, and he/she is not an actor but only a writer?)
- It can be said that the English title of "Escape" fits the subject of "Ye ying tu ji"

So, in my opinion, all 3 are the same movie and we should merge them, but if we merge them:
1.What year should we give to the movie?
2.What English titles and aliases do we have to keep?

Also! At "Tu Ji Chu Nv Dao" page Yang Tao is credited as Action director. I think it's a mistake, because this is his only credit as an Action director, and he is mostly credited as a Director and Writer
There's a picture of him on the set of the movie, but no explanation what was his job there:
https://blog.xuite.net/dryoungd/twblog/130624936-%E6%8B%8D%E3%80%9D%E7%AA%81%E6%93%8A%E8%99%95%E5%A5%B3%E5%B3%B6%E3%80%9E%E5%9C%A8%E6%B2%99%E7%81%98%E7%82%BA%E7%BE%8E%E5%A5%B3%E8%BA%AB%E6%9D%90%E4%BD%9C%E9%AD%94%E9%AC%BC%E8%A8%93%E7%B7%B4%E3%80%941982%E3%80%95
But he mentions the shooting year as 1982.

By the way, in Taiwan movie archives there are no movies titled "?????" or "??????".
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Re: Ye Ying Tu Ji = Tu Ji Chu Nv Dao = Escape of Female...?

Postby calros » Thu Sep 26, 2019 4:42 am

I think this movie was filmed in 1982, but it was not released until 1990.
If nobody stops me in 15 days I will merge people and movies and I will date it in 1990.
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Re: Ye Ying Tu Ji = Tu Ji Chu Nv Dao = Escape of Female...?

Postby heinz Germany » Thu Sep 26, 2019 12:36 pm

Why 1990? Is it how the actors look like in 1990?
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Re: Ye Ying Tu Ji = Tu Ji Chu Nv Dao = Escape of Female...?

Postby calros » Thu Sep 26, 2019 5:31 pm

Release date.
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Re: Ye Ying Tu Ji = Tu Ji Chu Nv Dao = Escape of Female...?

Postby heinz Germany » Fri Sep 27, 2019 5:12 am

calros wrote:Release date.
for that case we can add release date. But imagine, that the actors in the pictures look much younger than the release date. Or some actor may have their filmography cut short (or last longer) then in reality. That is missleading.
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Re: Ye Ying Tu Ji = Tu Ji Chu Nv Dao = Escape of Female...?

Postby calros » Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:33 am

Actually we should add the copyright date. If we cannot see the copyright date, we should add the release date.
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Re: Ye Ying Tu Ji = Tu Ji Chu Nv Dao = Escape of Female...?

Postby Teddy Wong » Tue Oct 01, 2019 11:33 am

Escape at dawn - same movie:
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Re: Ye Ying Tu Ji = Tu Ji Chu Nv Dao = Escape of Female...?

Postby calros » Wed Oct 02, 2019 4:23 am

In the first message you said that.
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Re: Ye Ying Tu Ji = Tu Ji Chu Nv Dao = Escape of Female...?

Postby Teddy Wong » Wed Oct 02, 2019 11:09 am

Yeah, but now it's for sure and this is the source of additional aliases :wink:
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Re: Ye Ying Tu Ji = Tu Ji Chu Nv Dao = Escape of Female...?

Postby Teddy Wong » Wed Oct 09, 2019 3:08 am

I don't think the movie was released in 1990, much earlier.
Do you have any additional data about the release year except these two Taiwanese websites I mentioned?
taiwancinema.com has SO MANY mistakes, that you have to check three times the data they have.
app2.atmovies.com.tw is much more accurate. But HKMDB is also considered as a very accurate DataBase, and we know that there are tons of mistakes.

I also think that it will be misleading to leave 1990 as the year of this movie, especially when we all know that the shootings were around 1982.
Yin Su-li and Chang Yu-Lan were active only in the early 80's.
Long Shao-Hua in 1990 looked much older than he was in "Ye ying tu ji".

I suggest to date the movie as "1984" and add a note that it is an estimated year.
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Re: Ye Ying Tu Ji = Tu Ji Chu Nv Dao = Escape of Female...?

Postby calros » Wed Oct 09, 2019 4:25 am

There are tons of movies released more than 5 years after they were filmed.
For example, "Deadline" was shot in 1979, but was released in 1984. So, IMDB dates the movie in 1984.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082244/
"Nearly Spiced" was shot in 1916, but was released in 1921. So, IMDB dates the movie in 1921.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1263758/
"Code of Silence", filmed in 1957. Released in 1960.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050595/
"We Think the World Is Round", completed in 1979, released in 1984.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1479402/
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Re: Ye Ying Tu Ji = Tu Ji Chu Nv Dao = Escape of Female...?

Postby calros » Fri Oct 11, 2019 5:29 pm

Merged:
????
Ye Ying Tu Ji (1990)
Country: Taiwan

Director
Lin Ying (1)
Script
Wong Sui-Cheung
Producer
Liao Hsiu-Chi
Cast
Lu I-Chan
Long Shao-Hua
Richard Cui Shou-Ping
Chan Kai-Jun
Yin Su-Li

Cinematographer
Cheng Man-Tak

Production Manager
Ke Shi-Wen

Editor
Chow Tak-Yeung

Presenter
Mak Heung-Wing


and

?????
Tu Ji Chu Nv Dao (1982)
Country: Taiwan
Action Director
Yang Tao (1)

Cast
Lu I-Chan
Chang Yu-Lan
Chou Ying-Ti
Zhen Xiu-Li
Long Shao-Hua
Richard Cui Shou-Ping

and

??????
Escape of the Female Prisoner (1984)
Alias: Escape at Dawn
Alias : ?????
Alias: Women Prisioner
Alias: Escape at Down
Country: Taiwan
Language: Mandarin
Rating: III (Hong Kong)

Director
Lin Ying (1)
Cast
Lu I-Chan
Lung Siu-Wa (2)
Wong Sui-Cheung
Richard Cui Shou-Ping

Summary
Note: 1984 is just an estimated year.
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Re: Ye Ying Tu Ji = Tu Ji Chu Nv Dao = Escape of Female...?

Postby Teddy Wong » Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:50 pm

When you did the merge, you added to the cast list Chan Yu-Lan (???) instead of Chang Yu-Lan (???) (you can see her on the poster)


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Re: Ye Ying Tu Ji = Tu Ji Chu Nv Dao = Escape of Female...?

Postby calros » Thu Jun 04, 2020 5:13 am

Sorry, changed.
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