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Post-99 Hong Kong B Movies

Postby Mike Thomason » Thu Apr 19, 2007 11:51 am

In honour of my new favourite internet sparring partner...the illustrious Mr. Thibodeau...I'm throwing it out (once again) over a bunch of B-graders that I never got around to seeing between 1999 and now that I'd like to hear some feedback on. The majority of these titles are true B-graders, but surprisingly I do like a good B-grade fix every now and then, plus it bolsters my coverage of Hong Kong cinema (and DTV) from '99 to now; and they're cheap to pick up now they're older! Woot!

Here is Part A of the list:

Believe It Or Not (1999)
Fascination Amour (1999)
Gigolo Of Chinese Hollywood (1999)
The Mirror (1999)
Never Compromise (1999)
Red Rain (1999)
Temptation Of An Angel (1999)
Black Cat In Jail (2000)
Crying Heart (2000)
Don't Look Back...Or You'll Be Sorry (2000)
Model From Hell (2000)
Queen Of Kowloon (2000)
Queenie And King, The Lovers (2000)
Super Car Criminals (2000)
The Teacher Without Chalk (2000)
To Where He Belongs (2000) -- OOP
Treasure Hunter (2000)
What Is A Good Teacher (2000)
Wishful Milenio (2000)

More anon. :wink:
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Re: Post-99 Hong Kong B Movies

Postby Contrai » Thu Apr 19, 2007 12:11 pm

Never Compromise (1999)
unspectacular true crime wannabe

Red Rain (1999)
mix between Thinking Man's cop actioner and episodic ensemble thriller, quite solid

Cold War (2000)
production values are fine, but the movie looks a lot better than its actually is

Super Car Criminals (2000)
The Fast & The Furious precursor, w/o races, but tough casting. beware of some horrible martial arts scenes

Sworn Revenge (2000)
forget that. boring horror shot on 1 stage.
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Postby Mike Thomason » Thu Apr 19, 2007 12:13 pm

The List Part B

Comic King (2001) -- OOP
Final Romance (2001) -- OOP
Fing's Raver (2001) -- OOP

Half Past Fifteen (2001)
Her Name Is Cat 2 (2001) -- OOP
Heroes In Love (2001)
Leaving In Sorrow (2001)
Manhattan Midnight (2001)
Mist In Judge (2001)
Sex Medusa (2001)
There Is A Secret In My Soup (2001) -- OOP
United We Stand And Swim (2001)
Summer Dream (2002)
A Wicked Ghost III: The Possession (2002)

...and believe it or not, that's about it! :D

I'll leave these in capable hands (and take back what was originally posted here as I had a response before I'd even finished typing this! :P)
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Postby j.crawford » Thu Apr 19, 2007 1:47 pm

Is it okay if I splash around? :wink:

Never Compromise (1999) - I liked it. Ng and Loui push each other to see who can be more over the top.

Red Rain (1999) - Yuen has done better work.

Queen Of Kowloon (2000) - melodramatic Wong Jing masterpiece, unheralded and unseen by most. One of the last movies I saw at the old Music Palace, has a special place in my heart.

Super Car Criminals (2000) - ....spent five years avoiding this film based solely on my despising Ricky Lau's direction of Pinky Cheung in The Temptation of Office Ladies. Worth a look, if only to appreciate the performance of Simon Loui. Best film title ever. :lol:

Violent Cop (2000) (the one with Patrick Tam) - If you like Tam, you might like this one. It's "unusual" from other police action films of the day.

Fing's Raver (2001) - Entertaining post - Handover exploitation. A great scene in the film has Maria Cordero, Ha Ping and a couple of other 'senior' actress getting all 'foxed up', going to a club to "rave".

Her Name Is Cat 2 (2001) - This low budget movie looks like it was shot in 16MM and may be the worst sequel ever made. Avoid.

There Is A Secret In My Soup (2001) and Vampire Controller (2001) remain unopened in my stack. I have that " too many movies, too little time" problem, too. :wink:

Mike, I hope you're feeling better.
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Postby Gaijin84 » Thu Apr 19, 2007 2:01 pm

I think Manhattan Midnight is that "thriller" with Maggie Q and the incomparable Richard Grieco.

Do I get extra points for being the first to mention Richard Grieco in this forum?
Or am I banned for life? :oops:
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Postby Mike Thomason » Thu Apr 19, 2007 2:44 pm

j.crawford wrote:Is it okay if I splash around? :wink:


Of course! All feedback on these titles, positive and negative, is appreciated as it will help me greatly in the long run. And of your input, thank you kindly (everyone else so far too). :)

j.crawford wrote:Mike, I hope you're feeling better.


I am feeling better than I was two weeks ago...but I am still having the odd hiccup here and there. I'm off the injections and onto an oral medication now, but I've had some recurrent aches and pains so I'm taking it easy as I go and having a serious think if going back to work on Monday is really a good idea? I think I need a couple of days extra rest, personally. I get severe pains from laughing too much, and my wife makes me laugh a LOT...so I figure that's probably not a great indicator that I'm completely on track to a full recovery quite yet... :(
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Postby JohnR » Thu Apr 19, 2007 4:49 pm

I haven't seen any of the movies on either list.

Jeez, you guys who have stacks of movies lying around unviewed make me sick. :D I never have more than a couple, and that's only when I get a new order in and I'm trying to stretch it out and watch only 1 or 2 a week because it will be awhile before I can order again.

But that's the beauty of this website. Those of us on a limited budget have a great resource to increase the chance of ordering movies we'll really enjoy.
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Postby Brian Thibodeau » Thu Apr 19, 2007 9:24 pm

Super Car Criminals (2000) - ....Best film title ever.


Well, at least until FREAKING SPICY KILLER came along! :lol:

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A little late to the party here, as usual, but from list A, a few thoughts...


The Mirror (1999) A very minor Nic Tse vehicle, with three weak tales linked together by an antique dressing table, possessed by Sherming Yiu (so that counts for something)


Red Rain (1999) Nice little lack-of-morality tale that makes up for modest action thrills with a lot of unexpected character touches you don't often find in a lot of B's like this. I seem to recall this being shot largely in Taipei, so don't know how that will affect your appreciation of it...


Cold War (2000) Clever midfilm twist in this one. Well-told story, but I would've liked to see deeper explorations of the several character relationships because they seemed so different from the norm. This one was filmed in Seoul, so again, I'm not sure if it qualifies as an HK film (though I tend to include it, but I'm fairly loose in categorizing these things, as most around here probably know...)


Don't Look Back...Or You'll Be Sorry (2000) The first half of this, which offers some interesting commentary on the dangers of aged, nosey parents moving back in with their married kids, would have made a fun film in its own right. Unfortunately, the second half, with all the supernatural stuff after Deannie Yip can suddenly see ghosts after being hit by a truck, is dreadfully familiar.


Super Car Criminals (2000) This starts good, but goes nowhere fast. As someone else said, Simon Loui is pretty good in it, but Michael Wong balances him by being pretty bad. And while there ARE super cars in the film, precious little is done with them...


Treasure Hunter (2000) If I had to recommend a B-movie fix for you, and your were honestly, seriously, truly in a B-movie mode, then you HAVE to start with this film! (And it IS shot on film, despite the rather cheap looking sleeve art). I'm totally shocked that Shaw vet John Cheung wasn't handed a few more B-thrillers after pulling off such a commendable job here. Rather than repeat myself, here's my rambling thoughts on it from back in the Digital Scrounge thread (not a formal review, per se):

.....I watched a movie called TREASURE HUNTER (2001) last night and loved it! I'd seen this VCD in the stores for years and could never tell whether it was some shot-on-video cheapie with a deceptively impressive sleeve, or an actual film. Turns out it's the latter, and it's the only film directed and written (to date) by John Cheung Ng-long, a veteran Shaw Bros. actor from the 70's, and despite an obvious low-budget and a surplus of characters and intrigue, he makes it look like a lot pricier than it probably was! It's like a movie from the year 2001 made by folks pining for the gonzo action movie glory days of, say, 1990!

Chin Siu-ho was in some turkeys around this time (especially the dreadful PURSUIT OF THE KILLER, where his hair did all of the acting), but he's quite good in this one, paired up with Benny Lai as a couple of laid-back marine salvage specialists (not a very common profession in HK movies, to be sure!) who unwittingly come into possession of a gadget that can cripple the world's defense systems! Boat chases, car chases, gunfights and some rather explosive and bloody demises for most of the cast (and not just the bad guys!) are soon the order of the day.

Simon Loui plays the millionaire villain in this, and while I fully expect to be ridiculed by both Simon Booth and Ms. Fan for unwittingly (I swear!) picking another movie with the guy in it, he's actually pretty cool in this. When the Papparazzi chase him to get pictures of him with starlet girlfriend Sherming Yiu, he has henchmen on motorbikes firebomb their car and kill them! You don't see THAT in Hong Kong movies anymore! Moments later, on his boat, he has a pair of underdressed trannies give Sherming a Clintonian "cigar treatment" just for kicks (though we don't see much)! He pretty much goes through the entire cast with a sadistic glee.

One thing that sets this apart from so many HK B-pictures is the phenomenal underwater photography, supervised by the director himself, who must be a diving pro in real life. I'm not sure where they shot it, but the plot seems to indicate it's near Hong Kong, but the water is so clear and blue! Cheung even choreographed the underwater action, to boot, so I'm guessing the guy simply decided to put his expertise to good use.

Definitely a keeper.


I have all the other titles on List A, but as usual, I'm pounding through them one at a time. So hopefully others have or will chime in with thoughts on those ones.


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As for list B...


Comic King (2001) Thought this was pretty cute, and the comic book industry backdrop is a nice change of pace. Liked the way the fantasy sequences, starring Nic Tse, helped Julian Cheung and Eason Chan through their romantic entanglements with Ruby Lin. There's also some amusing skewering of the Young & Dangerous and Man Called Hero genres.


Final Romance (2001) Not sure if this is the one with Edison, but if it is, I found it felt more contrived as it went along. The leads are just OK in this (but I'm not an Edison Chen fan, so I could be biased ;) ), and their cutesy romance gets a bit tired after awhile, but luckily Simon Yam shows up to provide a little villainy.


Fing's Raver (2001) This is a good one if you're kind of in an Ed Wood frame of mind. Kind of a "Raver Madness" if you will. Writer-producer Lee Siu-kei (isn't this dude a triad in real life?) plays a police chief who gives cop Sarah Lee and her compadres TWO WEEKS to stamp drugs outta Hong Kong! :lol: Maria Cordero's a scream in this as the delinquent mother whose a bigger part of the "youth problem" than the bloody drugs!


Her Name Is Cat 2 (2001) Pretty sad "sequel," though Ridley Tsui contributes some OK action scenes. Feels like it was filmed in 1989, which would have been cool if the cliches it trades in weren't already tired by then. Blacky Ko's brief scenes are actually lifted wholesale from HERO OF CITY! Almen Wong does model a rather fetching bikini, which counts for something at least! :lol:


United We Stand And Swim (2001) This is a typical root-for-the-underdogs flick, cute but thoroughly average stuff, but nice that it takes a winning-isn't-everything stance that would baffle most directors of American sports movies! Anthony Wong in a speedo was something I could have lived without, though! :?

There's a few I'm missing from List B, so thanks for posting that. Gives me a few additions to my mental shopping list! Have a few of the others, but they're just waiting their turns.
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Postby Brian Thibodeau » Thu Apr 19, 2007 9:32 pm

Jeez, you guys who have stacks of movies lying around unviewed make me sick. I never have more than a couple, and that's only when I get a new order in and I'm trying to stretch it out and watch only 1 or 2 a week because it will be awhile before I can order again.


A lot of the movies in this thread are pretty cheap to find at the various online retailers, especiallly if you don't mind VCD quality, which I find perfectly acceptable for films with titles like SEX MEDUSA and FING'S RAVER!! :lol: (actually, even the DVDs on a lot of these are ridiculously low-priced anymore) While I've recently come into a goldmine of bargain VCDs since I moved, many of the ones I'm able to comment on above were bought ages ago at much higher prices when they were new. :oops: Now, you can probably find most of these for a couple bucks a pop if you check around online. That way, you can increase your HK movie intake to 9 or 10 movies a week and drive those around you to distraction!


Do I get extra points for being the first to mention Richard Grieco in this forum?
Or am I banned for life?


Though she's extremely beautiful, I think Maggie Q is a very lucky "actress," and yet I couldn't imagine wishing Richard Grieco upon her. So, yes, you should definitely be banned for life for even reminding me of the one VCD sleeve I always manage to see when I'm out hunting. :lol:
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Postby Mike Thomason » Fri Apr 20, 2007 5:57 am

Brian Thibodeau wrote:Red Rain (1999) I seem to recall this being shot largely in Taipei, so don't know how that will affect your appreciation of it...

Cold War (2000)This one was filmed in Seoul, so again, I'm not sure if it qualifies as an HK film


You're pretty safe here, Brian -- both films are most positively Hong Kong movies. They were produced and financed by Hong Kong companies (in the case of Cold War, director/writer/producer Bryan Leung Kar-Yan's own production house, Bryan Films!), directed by Hong Kongers, written by HK screenwriters and almost exclusively feature HK actors. If one were to debate the locations that HK films were shot in, then there'd be an awful lot of them that would have to be disqualified as HK movies! HK has been shooting in Malaysia, Thailand, Singapore, Mainland China and a multitude of other locales (including right here in Australia) for as long as I can remember -- but a location per se does not a "nationality" of a movie make. :)
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Postby Brian Thibodeau » Fri Apr 20, 2007 6:30 am

If one were to debate the locations that HK films were shot in, then there'd be an awful lot of them that would have to be disqualified as HK movies! HK has been shooting in Malaysia, Thailand, Singapore, Mainland China and a multitude of other locales (including right here in Australia) for as long as I can remember -- but a location per se does not a "nationality" of a movie make.


So true! Ironically, I wish Korean filmmakers would start venturing outside their own borders a little more often, and into other parts of Asia and beyond! I know it happens on occasion—in some of the big swordplay epics or in flicks like DAISY (funny that one had a Hong Kong director!) but it often feels more like a cosmetic touch than any kind of honest exploration of Koreans interacting with other cultures, and it's rare compared with the number of HK films that would transport their audiences to refreshing, "exotic" locales (somewhere, I've got an 80's Stephen Shin production starring Ti Lung movie that was entirely filmed not too far from my own neighbourhood here!). I think Seoul is one of the most beautiful cities on the planet—and I pray I'll be able to visit it with my girlfriend some day—but I'm fairly certain I've seen every nook and cranny of it by now without ever having left the house! :lol:

This is, of course, why I feel so bad for my precious little Phillip Ko bastard movies from the turn of the century :lol:, as mentioned in another recent thread. While they're not all likely financed by Hong Kong companies, they feature so much Hong Kong talent behind and in front of the talent (washed up or otherwise!), that it almost seems unfair to call them Korean, or Filipino or what have you, even though I guess it must be true! The three I came across most recently include the excellent FINAL EDGE, which I don't believe sported a prod. company credit at all (what a shock! :roll:), the so-so PAYMENT IN BLOOD, which shares a cinematographer with COLD WAR, and the also so-so EXFERNAL AFFAIRS, which was partly shot in Hong Kong and does seem to have an HK production company behind it (interesting seeing Ko on the streets of HK in this one, if ever so briefly ?) ) . Obviously, the lineage of some HK cinema isn't something I keep up on regularly, but I'm always worried when these films get consigned to the non-HK netherverse. If nothing else, they've at least got some info on file here, so it's not a total loss, I guess. :oops:
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Postby MrBooth » Fri Apr 20, 2007 6:51 am

Vampire controller is pretty unredeemable... review here
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Postby Mike Thomason » Fri Apr 20, 2007 10:00 am

MrBooth wrote:Vampire controller is pretty unredeemable... review here


Wow! Joey Man? Consider that one bought! :D
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Postby j.crawford » Fri Apr 20, 2007 2:59 pm

:oops:

Queen Of Kowloon (2000) - melodramatic Wong Jing masterpiece, unheralded and unseen by most. One of the last movies I saw at the old Music Palace, has a special place in my heart.


Mixed this up with Crying Heart, so let's try this:

Queen Of Kowloon (2000) - melodramatic Clarence Fok Yiu-leung potboiler, unseen by most. Not awful, but I wonder if it would stand the test of time. One of the last movies I saw at the old Music Palace, has a small, special place in my heart.

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Postby Mike Thomason » Thu May 17, 2007 2:21 am

Thanks for the feedback to those that helped so far. I've knocked ten titles off the initial lists and have now updated them accordingly. :)
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Postby Brian Thibodeau » Thu May 17, 2007 5:34 am

What, no FING'S RAVER? I'm shocked! Shocked it say! All that effort to convince you and...nothing... :wink:
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Postby dleedlee » Thu May 17, 2007 11:28 am

Brian Thibodeau wrote:What, no FING'S RAVER? I'm shocked! Shocked it say! All that effort to convince you and...nothing... :wink:


I'll add a second to Fing's Raver, though it's been a long time.

Who is a Good Teacher is pretty bad, it was remade that same year as Teacher Without Chalk which I preferred.
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Postby Mike Thomason » Thu May 17, 2007 4:00 pm

Brian Thibodeau wrote:What, no FING'S RAVER? I'm shocked! Shocked it say! All that effort to convince you and...nothing... :wink:


Okay...Fing's Raver will go on the next order. But this week is Esther's birthday and I had to allocate a large amount of money towards her, so I could only afford a little order this fortnight for myself -- thus, a small run of genre-oriented titles inclusive of the much-maligned Vampire Controller (coz I like Joey Man, haha). Next time around I'll get the aforementioned Sophie Ngan movie...:D

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Postby Brian Thibodeau » Thu May 17, 2007 4:29 pm

so I could only afford a little order this fortnight for myself


My condolences. I know you'll recover soon! :P
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Postby Mike Thomason » Sun May 20, 2007 7:06 am

Mike Thomason wrote:
Brian Thibodeau wrote:What, no FING'S RAVER? I'm shocked! Shocked it say! All that effort to convince you and...nothing... :wink:


Okay...Fing's Raver will go on the next order.


Actually, no it won't. Nor will most of the Widesight titles I listed above -- as they've all gone out of print. :(

Accordingly, I've gone back to the original lists and updated the titles that, since they've now been listed as OOP (Out Of Print), I no longer have to worry about.
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Postby Brian Thibodeau » Sun May 20, 2007 3:37 pm

Wow! Never thought I'd see the day where "Collector's Item" and FING'S RAVER could actually be used in the same sentence! :lol:

Well, OK, maybe not....

But still, you really must try to track it down. Life won't be complete without it (or maybe some us just want to share our misery? Not sure) Perhaps a musty old VCD from your nearby Chinatown? As viewers and critics clearly didn't understand it's important social value at the time of its release, there's bound to be stacks of it awaiting rediscovery... :P
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